"First" 71 Road Runner

471Magnum · Post by **471Magnum** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:51 pm

What's everyone think of this car?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0301297737

Regardless of it's historical status, I think it is a really cool combination.

Seller is going to have a hard time getting his price in this economy. Even if it were numbers matching, I think he's got it WAY over-valued.

landon1 · Post by **landon1** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:13 pm

quite a bit of money....beautiful car, though...one of my dream setups, except with white stripe, top, and interior

notice how the turn indicators are on the fenders instead of between the callouts like they should be

471Magnum · Post by **471Magnum** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:13 pm

landon1 wrote:notice how the turn indicators are on the fenders instead of between the callouts like they should be

I knew SOMETHING wasn't right when I saw the holes for the indicators in the pictures. Couldn't put my finger on it.

71rm23 · Post by **71rm23** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:55 pm

Actually, I am fairly certain that is correct. I have seen other "Early" build RR's coded L31 mounted on the fenders rather than the hood when optioned with the standard callout hood. I am not sure when the change occured, probably mid to late august for this option.

471Magnum · Post by **471Magnum** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:05 am

Just to be clear, I'm not doubting the turnsignals were put where they are from the factory.

Should it not have the '70 style wing being such an early car? Although being a pilot car, they probably would have used the "correct" 71 wing for trial purposes, rather than exhaust the old inventory.

ffej · Post by **ffej** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:14 am

it is a neat car and it is cool that its a pre production car but for that kind of money hes hoping to get a collector to buy it and with out the original motor i think hes going to have a tough sell.

71rm23 · Post by **71rm23** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:06 am

Just to reiterate, the turn signals are correct. I have seen two other cars with the signals that way. Both were built Aug. 2 out of the St. Louis plant though. I do believe they changed this to the hood within the first two weeks of production.

As far as the rear wing is concerned, normally you would be correct on the "70 Style" wing on this early production car. Here is the caveat about this. Years ago I had a discussion with Galen Govier...I know, I know, we wont go there....about this very subject. If the car was ordered with the A45 package, both front and rear spoilers, you would get the "71 Style". If you ordered just the Rear Only spoiler J81, they used up the "1970 Style" spoiler supplies first. Yes, I have personally seen this as well on original unrestored RR's and GTX's as well. So I would assume Galen's response to me, at least in this instance, is correct. Hope this clears it up.

Jeff

Thack · Post by **Thack** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:04 pm

I'll be the dissenter here and say that you could have them hood or fender mounted throughout production. What I remember most about the fender mounted signals was what seemed like factory installed rust holes.

71rm23 · Post by **71rm23** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:27 pm

Without making this anymore confusing, I am strictly talking "VERY EARLY PRODUCTION" here. Possibly only the first week, I am not sure on the exact time frame as to the switch to "Generally accepted Production Line" setup.

"Normal Production Line", Magnum 471 is correct. If the car came with L31 and the standard hood callouts (RR's and GTX's), the turn signals were mounted in the hood. If the car came with an Air-Grabber hood, the turn signals were mounted on the tops of the Fenders. The Satellites came with them mounted on the tops of the Fenders as well.

I know, Never say Never with mopars. If you see something different from above, I doubt it left the factory that way.

Jeff

Thack · Post by **Thack** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:11 pm

Ok, I think I follow what you are saying... I still disagree

You could order;

Satellite: None, Hood or Fender mounted.
RR/GTX with CO Hood: None, Hood or Fender mounted
RR/GTX with AG: None or fender mounted.

So to be clear, a normal production RR/GTX with call out hood and fender mounted turn indicators was/is a common thing.

Thack · Post by **Thack** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:31 pm

I'll add that the reason that sticks in my mind so strongly is that my 71 had a call out hood with the signals on the hood. My Dad and I would go to local shows and drive the country looking for 71 RR's and all the other cars had them on the fenders or none at all, for a while we were sure that were added by a previous owner.

My Dad has a large collection of brochures and old car mags and we dug through them and found some Motor Trend cars with them, then we thought our car was really rare. I clearly remember people telling me that looked nice but were not factory.

Post by **Eric** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:26 pm

I know the owner of that car, and had a small amount of input on correctness during its restoration.
The wing as I recall was gone when he got the car, so he had to make a choice as to which wing to install for correctness. The hood is/was original and did not have holes for the turn signal indicators, so it was restored with them on the fenders.
I'm a little confused by the statement that Satellites didn't come with L31 signal indicators? Am I reading this wrong? I have a lot of Satellites (SSPs and Sebrings) coded for L31. I've personally seen many standard hood runners and GTXs with hood mounted signals. Can't say that they were never installed on the fenders during the later production run, but I've always considered it standard to see them on the hood on a twin scoop car coded L31.
As for the price of the car, I'm not going to get into that. It's his car and he can ask what he wants for it.

71rm23 · Post by **71rm23** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:17 pm

O.K. O.K., I think I must be confusing people. Here is what I am saying.

Let's DISREGARD this EV2 RR that started this thread. I think this is a great car. It invites a lot of controversy because it is an EARLY or Pre Production car.

All of what follows is for Normal Production Line.
What I stated is this. Cars that were ORDERED with the L31 option (either separately or with the A01 group). If a Satellite, RR, or GTX was NOT ordered with L31....NO Fender and NO Hood mounted signals, obviously.

Satellite WITH L31.......Fender Mounted Turn signals. (I owned an original unrestored one). I personally have never seen a Satellite with Hood Mounted signals. And I am not saying one doesn't exist, just I have never seen one.

RR and GTX WITH L31 and Standard Callout Hood.....HOOD mounted turn signals!

RR and GTX WITH L31 and Air-Grabber Hood.......FENDER mounted turn signals!

Hopefully, this clears up the misunderstandings.

Jeff

Thack · Post by **Thack** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:33 pm

What we need to do is find two RR's with call out hood and compare what number is under L31 on the broadcast sheets. Maybe the fender mounted cars have a 1 and the hood mounted a 2....maybe

landon1 · Post by **landon1** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:01 pm

i believe that any cars that came from the factory with the callout hood and the add-on signals on the fender, instead of on the hood (where they belong) was a screw-up. in addition to this, any car that's been restored that maybe has satellite fenders and a roadrunner hood would appear this way, as this one does...however, since it is an early car, it is possible that it's one that was messed-up.

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