ebay scam

ct71rr · Post by **ct71rr** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:57 pm

Hello all!! This is a scam, right?! Wasn't this car listed a few times before with a buy it now of over $80,000. Looks like the "seller" cut and pasted the photos from the previous listing(s). Am I wrong about this??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... 0133426196

fourforty6pac · Post by **fourforty6pac** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:26 pm

Yea its a scam. The first time I saw it I bid on it and asked the seller some guestions concering the buy it now. A few days later I started to get emails about a bunch of cars that someone else was selling under my name (that I didnt own). I had to change my ebay account info. That meant I had to start over with zero feedback. Ebay wouldnt let me transfer the 600+ 100% positive feedback that I worked so hard to maintain to my new ebay account. I also was told by ebay that I should change my paypal account. That is a bigger pain in the ass then ebay. I dont know how these boneheads get away with this crap, but they do. Check out the sellers other items for sale. There are some sweet cars there.

Post by **Eric** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:36 pm

I believe the actual price on that car is more like $250K!

aerodynamic · Post by **aerodynamic** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:40 am

I've had a lot of trouble with EBAY. My biggest beef by far is the ability of someone with ZERO feedback to be able to hit a "Buy It Now" button. I've had many auctions ended by these scammers, and it doesn't take long for them to find your auction once it's started. I BEGGED ebay to AT LEAST require a feedback of 1, since 99% of the scammers have 0. I also suggested they should limit the dollar value of transactions a new ebayer can make till they get a couple feedback numbers in. Think of it as sort of an initiation process to EARN the right to buy and sell bigger stuff. Scammers don't go for the little bucks because it's not usually worth their while. In order to complete transactions through ebay (and especially PayPal)you have to give out account and personal info and the scammers don't want to do that for obvious reasons. As of right now, I won't sell a vehicle to anyone who doesn't have a PayPal account. This hurts me because it limits the number of buyers available. EBAY wasn't interested in my suggestions.

I've made some money and a few new friends through ebay, but the level of frustration I've experienced in the process has nearly caused me to give up.

ct71rr · Post by **ct71rr** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:33 am

Exactly!! Another problem I have with EBAY is that once you pay for the item, the seller should be required to leave feedback. My experience has been that many sellers wait until the buyer (me) leaves feedback before they do. Once I paid, my end of the deal was upheld!!!

Anyway, I forgot to mention, there were actually two auctions for that same car on Sunday night. Same seller, same photos, same low reserve. On Monday one of the auctions was removed and this one remained. Doesn't EBAY monitor this stuff??!!

aerodynamic · Post by **aerodynamic** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:50 am

Ebay is almost certainly understaffed for the sheer volume of items listed and transactions performed. I think it was initially intended to be almost completely automated, but now they've got a monster on their hands with all the scammers who are unfortunately far smarter than the EBAY staff. They don't take advice, which is a big mistake. Amazingly I did exchange actual emails with one of the support people, and when I made the suggestions listed above, his reply was "That wouldn't be fair to ebay newcomers". Flawless logic. As I indicated, certain restrictions should apply to newbies to help prevent all this crap. Is it really so much to ask to limit an ebayer's very first transaction to, say, $10? If he/she is legit, they will understand. Scammers DO NOT COMPLETE TRANSACTIONS! They can't, and this rule would really screw them up. Slow the scammers way down and I'm sure ebay could devote more time to legitimate customer service issues.

fourforty6pac · Post by **fourforty6pac** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:32 pm

[quote="ct71rr"]Exactly!! Another problem I have with EBAY is that once you pay for the item, the seller should be required to leave feedback. My experience has been that many sellers wait until the buyer (me) leaves feedback before they do. Once I paid, my end of the deal was upheld!!!

Yea ebay does have alot of faults and this is one of them. It seems the buyer is held hostage for thier pos. feedback. This is a big flaw in thier system. Now, I dont give feedback until I get it first as a buyer. when I make my payment I make sure the seller knows this and most times it seems to make a dffference. When I sell something I give pos. feedback as soon as I get the payment. The changed thier practice a little now when you give feedback as a seller you can leave feedback and note the packaging, item description, shipping time. Paypal also has flaws and crappy policies. If someone has a complaint sometimes they will take the money out of your account and hold it till the problem is resolved. This happened to me when I sold an nos front valance. In the description I stated that there was a couple of small dings in it. Well when the buyer got it he was not a happy camper, he said that it was not an nos part.
We all know that an nos body part that is nos will not be perfect. This clown wanted almost all of his money back because he said it would cost 175 for a body shop to fix it. I declined to refund any of this jerks cash and told them I would pay for shipping to get the valance back. Well it took six weeks to get it back. I lost on that deal because the checking account that was linked to paypay ended getting overdrawn. I had to pay the bank fees for 3 checks that ended up bouncing. Well now I have a seperate account for use with paypal only. Now, that way they cant screw me because I only use that account for paypal. I am also very careful before I spend the money.I dont touch it until I get word from the buyer that they are happy with the item that I sold them. It seems that ebay and paypal are necessary evils.Sometimes I wish I had the cash to just to buy a finished car, I would have fewer headaches. But I really enjoy, and I do get tons of satisfaction when I work on one of my cars. So for now I will continue to deal with both ebay and paypal untill I win the lotto and buy all the mopars I want.

mopar71 · Post by **mopar71** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:14 pm

I had my password stolen on ebay but I told ebay the same day and was able to recover all my feedback and whoever stole it was bidding on an Item and I would of been down 600.00. I learned a very important thing,when you go to ebay ALWAYS LOG IN AT THE HOME PAGE! Never view an Item and then log in.When I had the password stolen The address bar did not have an ebay link when I went to sign on. I didnt think about it at first but they make a fake item and when you go to that page you are directed to a different place,I dont know how they do it but that is how they got me.

rr6pak · Post by **rr6pak** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:49 am

I agree with fourforty 6pak. I leave feedback when I recieve money. I send money A.S.A.P if I buy something and I expect feedback right away too. You should be able to talk to someone at Ebay when there is a problem. I hate communicating through e-mails

Sombody always has to screw things up for someone else

aerodynamic · Post by **aerodynamic** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:11 am

I think we should push to make it legal to hunt down and kill scammers, kinda like Al Queda.

fourforty6pac · Post by **fourforty6pac** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:19 am

aerodynamic wrote:I think we should push to make it legal to hunt down and kill scammers, kinda like Al Queda.

Those pole smokers are protected. So we would have to poach them.

Grey 73 · Post by **Grey 73** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 4:50 pm

fourforty6pac wrote: We all know that an nos body part that is nos will not be perfect.

As long as your using the term appropriatly, this may be true, although it should be pretty damn close to perfect though.

I would like to know, how you came to posses an N.O.S. front valance, personaly? Did you by chance work at one of the factories that turned these cars out? Or did you purchase it from a body shop or dealership that just had it stashed in the back?

Of course you do realize that N.O.S. stands for "New Old Stock", ie has never been installed or used. If the part you sold was a used piece from a car that had been driven on the road, you were fraudulantly selling a "Used" piece as a "New Old Stock" piece, and if this is the case then any troubles you had were your own doing. If you paid the shipping to have the piece returned, I would assume the buyer would want his money back in return for you getting the piece back. Other wise he is out the purchase price and the origianl shipping, an I don't believe there are to many who are going to allow that to happen to themselves.

My point is that you should know what a term means before using it to represent something you wish to sell. Will save you from future headaches of that type.

Nothing personal, just my opinions based on years of dealing with people in general and buying and selling occasionaly on fleabay.

fourforty6pac · Post by **fourforty6pac** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:22 pm

Grey 73 wrote:
fourforty6pac wrote: We all know that an nos body part that is nos will not be perfect.
As long as your using the term appropriatly, this may be true, although it should be pretty damn close to perfect though.

I would like to know, how you came to posses an N.O.S. front valance, personaly? Did you by chance work at one of the factories that turned these cars out? Or did you purchase it from a body shop or dealership that just had it stashed in the back?

Of course you do realize that N.O.S. stands for "New Old Stock", ie has never been installed or used. If the part you sold was a used piece from a car that had been driven on the road, you were fraudulantly selling a "Used" piece as a "New Old Stock" piece, and if this is the case then any troubles you had were your own doing. If you paid the shipping to have the piece returned, I would assume the buyer would want his money back in return for you getting the piece back. Other wise he is out the purchase price and the origianl shipping, an I don't believe there are to many who are going to allow that to happen to themselves.

My point is that you should know what a term means before using it to represent something you wish to sell. Will save you from future headaches of that type.

Nothing personal, just my opinions based on years of dealing with people in general and buying and selling occasionaly on fleabay.

Trust me, I do know what NOS stands for, so I was not selling something under false pretenses. I have been buying and selling NOS parts for quite some time. It's a good way to help finance a MOPAR resto.
I bought the valance new from Peters Dodge in Milwaukee WI. to replace the one on my first MOPAR that I bought new in early 72 ( so maybe that was an NOS SSP), i never used it and it ended up sitting around first in my garage then in my shop for a total of almost 30 years. As a result of sitting around it ended up getting two small dings the size of peas. I could have fixed them but I elected not to so the buyer could see what they were getting. So like I said before this PUDD wanted me to give him $175 to get those small dings repaired. There was no way I would fall for this crap. I can say that because I have been doing autobody for almost all of my adult life and I think that qualifies for something. I gave him all his money back including shipping and I had to wait almost 2 months to get it back. He is the one who was trying to scam me. He told me it was shipped the day he recieved the refund, but in fact it wasnt shipped untill I contacted paypal and they took the cash from his account.
This is the ROAD RUNNER NEST not some rice forum so I think we all know what NOS really stands for.
This spring I bought an NOS rt fender for my 72, I repaired a softball size dent. Does the repair make it a used fender or is it still NOS? You would be very lucky if you would but a thirty year ols NOS body part that was perfect. These parts werent handled with care from the get go because someone knew that they would be worth a small fortune in 2007.
WELCOME TO THE NEST!

aerodynamic · Post by **aerodynamic** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 9:36 pm

Still got the Valence? An acquaintance recently asked if I know of one.

fourforty6pac · Post by **fourforty6pac** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:30 am

aerodynamic wrote:Still got the Valence? An acquaintance recently asked if I know of one.

Still have it, now I gonna use it on my car. I do have a couple more that are used. Not rusty. Some dents, workable.